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« on: June 20, 2009, 09:46:43 AM »

Obama said 46 million Americans are without health insurance.  He didn't say that, of those, 9.7 million are not citizens, 17 million earn over $50,000 per year, and only 19 million are without insurance for a full year.  And many of them qualify for Medicare or Medicaid.  That leaves the best estimate of uninsured American citizens who want insurance but cannot afford it at 8 million.  Is that worth $1,500,000,000?  That's $187,500 per person.  Nationalizing health care may provide care for everyone, but at a lower standard. The cost will result in higher taxes reducing everyone's standard of living.  And/or inflation, which also reduces our standard of living.  Obama has already spent more than all previous administrations put together.  This will just be one more nail in the coffin.  How good is socialism looking now?
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« Reply #1 on: June 22, 2009, 02:06:14 PM »

I don't see any reference to your source/s on this. Limbaugh perhaps?
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« Reply #2 on: June 23, 2009, 04:41:20 AM »

http://strangestories.info/insurance/46-million-uninsured-americans/
The most recent source above.  I hope you're not one of those people who think Obama/Reid/Pelosi always tell the truth.  And, I assume your rebuttal will include sources?
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« Reply #3 on: June 23, 2009, 01:17:13 PM »

NONE of our political "leaders" do always, or have always, told the truth. That's nothing new. But I can say that I'm glad that lying sack of guano that previously held the most powerful office in this country is no longer there and that Mr. Magoo and his sidekick aren't either. And now Dick can go shoot all of the lawyers he wants to.

W did make one true statement though:
"Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we. They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we." —Washington, D.C., Aug. 5, 2004
This statement isn't/wasn't specific to his regime, it's been this way for decades. In one of the articles posted by Admin of this forum our current economic problems can be traced back to Reaganomics. But the left blames Bush, the right blames Obama and Clinton. What was the surplus when Clinton left office? Oh wait, that's a myth if you read the right articles. But the links and such found at www.ustreas.gov seem to contradict the myth theory. Myth? No. Elvis is alive, LBJ killed Kennedy and the moon landings were all hoaxes filmed on sound stages.

And before you start with the "Bush is gone and that's over with, bla, bla, bla, bla". There are STILL dipsticks out there bitching about Clinton, so relating facts about King W is not old news. Plus, Bush bashing has always been, and will always be, fun! Cause he's just that much a dumbass.

"strangestories.info"
An interesting site in itself as it also does not give any supporting references, for ANY of it's stories. This appears to be a spin-off of someone’s blog disguised as an "information" site. Maybe this story could be traced back to FOX news? After reading the article it sounds like something that would come from that network.

As for the Oxycontin King, Nuf said. He's not worth the time of day.
Oh, what the heck:
 
"The truth is now back on the airwaves; equal time is back in America,"** declared Rush Limbaugh in reopening his radio show recently after returning from an upscale drug rehab center.
But was truth back on the air? Was it ever on the air when Mr. Limbaugh used his particular linguistic skills to attack everyone and anyone who was not supportive of a hard right-wing agenda? Those questions are particularly valid now that it is apparent Rush Limbaugh lives by and within a double standard.
After having been caught abusing some of the most powerful new drugs available, Mr. Limbaugh appears both defiant and unrepentant. Assuredly, when he was exposed and about to be investigated, he admitted to using painkillers, and excused himself by declaring he became addicted because of serious back pain. But whether that excuse is facile or not, the central point is that he did not assume the responsibility of his actions, a point that must be illustrated because it is precisely what he demands of others.

http://www.bradleyreport.net/commentary/StonedRush.htm

As if Limbaugh (or Bradley) could ever be trusted to tell the truth about anything. He just likes to crank up the hearing aids so he can hear himself yammer on endlessly.

I just hope that Perot runs again in 2012 because I’m not voting for Falin OR Clinton!

You can read and listen to all of your closed minded right wing propaganda and I will read about and watch what is happening in this country, and the world. Listen to and investigate the “facts“, not hate mongering crap, from both sides and make my informed decisions. Hey, I voted for Raygun, Ford, Daddy Bush and Little Schrubby (once) but then I opened my mind, started to pay attention to what was really going on in the world, rather than what the “correct” people said, and I vote for who I think can do the best job. No matter what side of the fence they are on.

Life is too short to be an angry Republican!
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« Reply #4 on: June 24, 2009, 05:11:40 AM »

What's fun about the internet, and the "information highway", is that no matter what your viewpoint, or political affliction, right, left, sideways, inverted or perverted. You will find "factual data" that supports your views. And you can find "factual data" that refutes every one of your views.

The defense and prosecution don't each bring in their own "experts" for no reason. The job of each is to refute the testimony of the other, be more convincing than the other and sway the jury to that sides way of thinking. And both (normally) use facts and scientific data.

The climate is changing, the climate is not changing. The fact is that the climate IS changing and always has been. The issue is whether or not humans have had any impact on this change, rather than if it is happening at all. Have we accelerated it in our greed for destroying the planet for the almighty dollar or have we had no impact on the timeline of this change? I, and you too, could find thousands of websites and articles to support both sides of this issue. It is all in the interpretation and what we individually want to believe.

So one article, by any entity, does not factual data make.
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« Reply #5 on: June 24, 2009, 10:39:21 AM »

THe facts be known, the BUSH agendas messed everything up and that's a fact jack!
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« Reply #6 on: June 24, 2009, 11:13:44 AM »

As much as I disliked the guy, and believe he did his best to financially help only himself and his cronies, drag this countries international relations into the toilet and create the need to borrow all of that money from China, I can't jump on the band wagon that believes it is all his fault. 99.3% maybe but not 100%.

And what's up with the Senator from NV and the Governor of SC? If the Republicans hadn't made such a circus out of the Clinton thing, and screamed about "Family Values" so loudly, they could continue to get away with this stuff. BUT no, they screamed loud and clear and now they are all under the microscope. Buncha boneheads.
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« Reply #7 on: June 25, 2009, 04:18:26 AM »

I didn't see any links to sites that refute my statements on health care, but I do agree with your statement,  "What's fun about the internet, and the "information highway", is that no matter what your viewpoint, or political affliction, right, left, sideways, inverted or perverted. You will find "factual data" that supports your views. And you can find "factual data" that refutes every one of your views."
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« Reply #8 on: June 25, 2009, 07:59:23 AM »

I would need to see the documentation showing that your source states any facts before I'd look for documentation that proves it right or wrong.

Like I said before, your source page gives no backup data to prove what they are saying. For ANY of their posts.
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« Reply #9 on: June 26, 2009, 03:11:47 AM »

Your first comment seemed to indicate that my information was wrong.  Expecially since you suggested the info came from Limbaugh.  I expected that you would provide the correct information, and since listing sources is so important, you would provide yours.  My sources claim as their source the Congressional Budget Office.  On the issue of health care, please provide the correct numbers and your source.
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« Reply #10 on: June 26, 2009, 12:18:00 PM »

If you had read my first post it said "Limbaugh perhaps" not, Limbaugh said. This is the type of thing that would projectile vomit from his vocal chords. I've spent enough time on this and not sure what would be accomplished if I did present facts. Nowhere in any of the related articles did I find any reference to the Congressional Budget office as you mentioned in your last post. However, on page 67 of  P60-235 (see below) there is mention of a Congressional Buget Office document dated may 2003.
I can pull statistics out of my butt just as well as the next person and pass them off as fact, see below:

Your source article, first paragraph: "Maybe you saw the gentle lady of the House representing an area of North Carolina (I think) who presented the truth about the uninsured to the House. Her speech placed the data in the Congressional record."
This is interesting as the South Carolina Senators and Congressmen are all just that, men. Also, I could find no data to support this in the Congressional Record (Thomas search) as they state. Perhaps if the writer was astute enough to actually know this persons name, or what state they were actually from, it could be verified as fact. How can they say she presented "the truth" when they can't even prove she exists?

Your source article, third paragraph: "In an editorial, the INVESTOR’S BUSINESS DAILY (June 17)".
I could find no such article on their website, perhaps it was in the print edition. What I did find, in their opinion section, was an editorial, posted June 18, that states "About 45 million Americans lack health care insurance. Or do they?". Did the IBD lose 1 million people somewhere between June 17 and June 18? Or did someone else twist these facts? The aforementioned opinion also did not ever mention the Census Bureau document, P60-235, Income, Poverty, and Health Insurance Coverage in the United States: 2007.
“The paper cites the study which shows that 21% of the 46 million people without insurance in 2007 are not US citizens. We don’t know how many illegal aliens were. The paper says it was appropriate to call the 46 million as uninsured but not Americans.“ The only place in P60-235 where a 21% figure is used is in regards to Economic Status and Poverty, not Health Care. And, I’m sure, it was some obscure article that used the term “not American”. Also see the definition in P60-235 of “Native-born households”.

Your source article, fifth paragraph: "Only about 19 million go without insurance for a full year, says the Census Bureaus’ study".
This I could also not find in P60-235. I also tried 18.5 through 19.5 and nothing came up in the document to prove this out.

So if you can find an article that states fact, and backs it up, I might believe it. Maybe not agree with it, but I will concede.
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« Reply #11 on: August 19, 2009, 07:39:19 PM »

We apperceive that this is the blazon of affair that would projectile barf from his articulate chords.




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« Reply #12 on: August 21, 2009, 06:58:54 PM »

Obama said our current healthcare system is financially unsustainable.  The Congressional Budget Office said the top three plans being worked on now are more expensive than the current system.  Reminds me of his promise that unemployment will reach 9% if we DON'T pass his Stimulus package.  His Stimulus Package was passed and unemployment is 9.4%.  He also said people could keep their current healthcare plan.  How is he going to mitigate the "unsustainable disaster" if we keep our current plans, AND the taxpayers pay to insure 50,000,000 more people?  How do you like Socialism so far?   spank
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« Reply #13 on: September 02, 2009, 09:48:21 AM »

Another thing that is messed up is workman's comp.  Some companies are good and some are bad.  I once worked for a company that left me used, confused, and abused.  They were, I allege, in cahoots with the adjusters and tried to cover up a lot of injuries.  Often times when I was injured through no fault of my own; I would be sent for a drug test and never treated properly for my injuries or often ignored as if nothing ever happened.  It seems as though it was "JUST BUSINESS" and there was a don't ask don't tell policy; if you were injured don't push it (or take care of it on your own) or they were simply indifferent and tried to not let the insurance company know about it (cover it up so to speak).  I am so lucky that I am a veteran.  Even one of those big time injury lawyer firms that say they specialize in injuries would not help me out.  Yes, the health care industry is totally messed up and I allege that the AMA has a lot to do with it.
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